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★ Support this podcast ★1 00:00:03,790 --> 00:00:08,740 Hey, everybody welcome to trek in time. This is the podcast that takes a look at star trek
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does help the channel. Thank you so much for
being here with us Matt how you doing I'm
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doing okay looking forward to talking about
this 1 We've had a.
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I'm doing pretty good how about yourself.
Run in the middle of the season that felt
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like oh boy and and we made our way through.
We're into the final episodes of the season
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and these are ones that are feeling very star
trek to me so I'm enjoying the last week's
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episode and this week's episode very much.
Yeah, like.
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Before we get into the new episode which is
Vox Sola Matt you have some stuff to share
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with us on listener feedback.
Yeah, from the ah episode about the oasis.
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It's where they found the holograms that were
kind of helping to raise the the young woman
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from pillgo sixty nine. You can have stakes
without danger or a threat of violence the
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whole invulnerable Hologram thing was danger.
But it didn't raise the stakes. The stakes
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didn't even have to be on the crew. The survivors
could have been in danger from a geologic
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ah event or an astral body that's going to
crash into the planet or even just the survivors
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making a paranoid suicide pact as their mystery
gets unraveled. Thought there was a really
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good take. It's like there were so many different
ways that episode could raise the stakes where
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they're really were on entire episode.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it literally revolved around
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the young woman's father saying I don't want
to leave and if anybody's dealt with yeah.
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Um, exactly high stakes I don't want to go.
If anybody's dealt with parents who are reluctant
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to move into retirement communities. You know
what? that's like but so today's episode we're
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gonna be talking about vox sola matt what's
the synopsis for this episode.
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When a strange symbiotic Alien Creature boards
the enterprise and captures several crew members
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is up to ensign Hoshi Sato to decipher the
creature. The creature's complex language.
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That's a odd synopsis.
Yes, it is a strangely Riton synopsis. We've
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been getting our synopses via wikipedia. Maybe
it's time to start revising the synopses from
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wikipedia because the. Grammar is sometimes
confusying so voxola this episode was aired
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on may first 2002 it was enjoyed by 5 point
four million viewers. This is up a little
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bit from previous weeks. Still lower than
the high point of the season. It was directed
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by Roxanne dawson who of course was torres
from voyager this is her second directorial
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spin on enterprise and the story is by Brannon
braga and Decker fred decker being the writer
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who took over writing the teleplay. He also
wrote the and dorian incident. So I think
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what we're seeing here is a pattern of good
writing from Mr. decker and what was going
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on in the world at the time this landed. Well
we were all dancing our fannies off mat. Think
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you'll remember as I do that we were enjoying
the song ain't it funny by j lo and ja rule
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and I'm sure we're all happy as of this recording
that j lo and Ben a flecherbeck together.
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The.
I Have no response for that.
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You have no response I thought you were gonna
let out a big woohoo and the top movie of
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the week when this episode aired was once
again, the scorpion king it added another
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18 million to the 36 million it
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Received in its first week in the theaters.
You'll all remember that this is the dwayne
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quote the rock close quote Johnson's first
lead in a movie and on television. Well we
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were all watching csi. 26000000 of us I was
not 1 of those 26 million I don't know if
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you were so you're to blame.
I was I just watched the I just watched the
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new premiere of Csi Vegas because they rebooted
the show and oh boy, not good.
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As ja rule would say it's murder and in the
news continuation of the sadder storylines
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that we've been dealing with from previous
weeks. The midi's crisis was continuing u
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s was trying to work. With saudi arabia to
bring peace to the middle east especially
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around israel and the pressure on the palestinian
communities there arafat was being pressed
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and prime minister sharon in Israel was the
power figure on that side and was the player
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that the us was trying to work with. Course
those talks would continue and still continue
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to this day but I wanted to focus on a lighter
news story from the new york times on this
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day which is I felt trek related in the sense
that it's dealing with the hubble telescope.
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Headline being telescope opens window on dawn
of the universe using its new main camera
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the rejuvenated hubble space telescope has
produced a sunning set of images of dynamic
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processes in the far reaches of the universe
scientists said today in some of the first
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pictures from the device. The advanced camera.
Surveys the telescope has produced clear images
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of galaxies colliding and spewing trails of
stars in their wakes billowing pillars of
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dust acting as star nurseries and enormous
gas fields splash with the colors of an abstract
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painting and this was after the hubble telescope.
Needed effectively glasses it needed cataract
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surgery. It went doorbit with a lens that
was the wrong shape and so it didn't work
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as well as it was hoped and after they put
a giant contact lens on it well things shaped
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up.
Classes. Hidden.
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I'm going to pause here to turn off my dehumidifier.
I don't know if you could hear that Matt okay,
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do you want me to redo the thing or is that
something you could be taken out ignore it.
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I could. It can't be taken out but we can
just I'll I'll bring it up to our. He'll be..
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He'll be watching this Hopefully he can E
Q it out a little bit if it's if it's a problem.
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So into this episode just quick hits before
we get into discussing the plot Matt were
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you? What were your big picture thoughts on
this 1
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I I know you like this 1 I thought it was
I thought it was good. Um, overall but it
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was a little um it was a little slow for me,
but there was some really good character development
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and there was some really good use of all
the characters in the bridge crew. Like some
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good use of Sado some good use of you know
trip and the captain everybody kind of got
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their moment except for the doctor but everybody
kind of got their moment and got to contribute
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to solving the problem and that was something
that felt very star trek to me which was a
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nice synergy between all the characters where.
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And episodes that we've been complaining about
it's it's all about the captain or it's all
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about different character or it's all about
saddo but it's poorly written it's this was
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1 of the few that has happened recently where
it felt like everybody kind of got their due
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in their fair shake which I really enjoyed.
Are right.
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Yeah I also disagree with you slightly I think
even the doctor has a moment. It's I think
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this is I think this is 1 of those episodes
where as you mentioned everybody gets their
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moment and the moment stands up as being a
good 1 and it's a strong piece of writing
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and I think it's also a strong piece of directing
I think that.
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He does. It's It's small. Yeah.
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This 1 Rex and Dawson demonstrates a lot of
of good skill behind the camera. It's I think
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a very impressiveive directorial take on how
to put this all together. But let's start
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here with the beginning of the episode sometime
in late January Twenty One fifty 2 Onboard
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The enterprise there is a diplomatic kfluffle.
It is. They're referred to as the kretasans
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and they are pissed. They are effectively
ah bull rushing the airlock to get off the
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enterprise.
Has.
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While being pursued by most of the bridge
crew including Sado who is trying desperately
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to figure out what their how to get their
language to be processed by the universal
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translator lot of complications in doing this.
She's saying things like something about.
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Eating something about mouths something about
reproduction. It's very confusing as to what
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is happening but they are clearly upset and
they get to the exit they demand their way
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off the ship archer lets them go with confusion
and hurt feelings all around and archer is.
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Yeah.
Clearly not just upset but angry that this
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is how this first contact situation has gone
and he goes back to his ready room and and
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just basically sequesters himself back there
to deal with his his bad feelings then in.
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The.
1 of the cargo holds. There are a couple of
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crewmen who are working on something and there's
a power loss in a and a storage facility and
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it's crewman's rostoff and kelly and quick
side note and we've had this happen a couple
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of times in previous episodes. It's going
to continue. More as we move forward through
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all of the episodes star trek always has interesting
casting going on and in this episode we have
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crewman kelly who sadly doesn't have that
many lines. She's got a few lines ah it's
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renee e goldsberry who. Broadway fans may
remember is the tony award-winning actress
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from hamilton who played angelica schyler
skyler so this is an impressive guest artist
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at a very early stage in her career up to
this point she had had.
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Yes.
Minor roles in tv shows including a recurring
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role on allie mcbeal as a backup singer in
fantasy sequences. So this is when she first
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appeared on camera in this episode I did a
big double take because I was just like.
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Yeah, so did I.
Is that angelica should I be singing should
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they all be singing. Are we gonna learn about
history turns out sadly that her lines are
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all basically relegated to this first opening
scene and.
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That's it.
She and krumen rostoff are working trying
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to figure out what's causing the power loss.
We've seen when the Kretasan ship pulls away.
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We see an alien entity sneak in the door of
the airlock just before it closes. So when
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rostoff goes to check on the power loss. In
the storage room he finds goo he finds effectively.
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It looks like ectoplasm and early on in this
episode I think this is another case where
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it felt to me like they were almost using
horror imagery. As the end for the story the
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in for the threat because the alien entity
right from the beginning looks very wispy
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and it's all cgi. It's dated cgi I'm sure
you felt that way as well. That as you're
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watching it like okay this is cgi in it and
it would be so much better if it were done
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today. But.
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For the time they were pushing the boundaries
that they could I think it's very effective.
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It's very alien. There are tendrils and what
look like layers of Wispy fiber. So it has
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a very ghost like image.
The.
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So when rostov gets to this dark room and
he's walking around with a flashlight and
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he finds what looks like a broken air vent
and a bunch of what looks like ectoplasm dropping
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on the ground it starts to take on a sort
of horror movie feel. Yeah, the season has
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you has.
This has happened a lot in the season. Yeah.
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Has doubled down on the sort of Camp Fire
spooky story motif even when not directly
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referencing it. There have been episodes where
they very clearly doubled down on it by having
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somebody tell a gary story but in this 1 it
just seems to be an imagery that is evocative
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so they've. Created this dark and spooky corner
of the ship where the Crewman turns the corner.
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There's a tendril going around to a cargo
container and then something gets him something
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grabs him.
This would actually be a perfect time to kind
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of take a little detour on a little bit of
a deeper dive with fred decker who wrote this
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episode because he wrote a handful of episodes
and then he basically disappeared from the
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show and he was like 1 of the I think he was
a given producer credit on the show. Um.
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Listen.
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Season 1 and I found a fascinating article
that was a big deep dive interview with him
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after the show was ended about his impressions
of working on the show and it was not positive.
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Um, he basically unloaded in this article
basically saying.
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Um.
When they brought him on he had had some successes
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writing so horror movies and kind of like
campy bee movies that had had some success
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and so on this show he came in and he was
basically as he put it I was particularly
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excited about taking the edict of exploring
new life and new civilizations and really
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running with that. Early on Brandon bragg
who co-created the show talked about enterprise
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is something that would be weird and spooky
and I thought that sounded fantastic but apart
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from a really really fine first season episode
from a first season episode that we produce
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called fight or flight I don't think we ever
accomplished that.
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M.
My first meetings about enterprise I thought
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we could create alien life forms that were
almost unimaginable sentient clouds every
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new worlds and stuff like that. But in the
end we ended up like all previous incarnations
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of star trek character actors with foam rubber
appliances speaking english and he went on
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to say how the show. Promise of what lured
him to the job from Brand and braga and Berman
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was we're going to do something different
here and in in his and the interview he talked
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about how part way into the season they changed
the show which was originally called just
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enterprise and they changed it to star trek
enterprise. And they were going back to ferringgi
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and they were going back to enddorians they
were going back to all the tried and true
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stuff and he kept he talked about how many
ideas he was throwing out there for script
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ideas and they would just go nowhere and even
the ones he did write. He complained about
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how much they were completely rewritten. By
braga himself that he he would just gut his
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scripts. So even this this the episodes that
have his name on it. They aren't exactly his
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script. They've been heavily rewritten to
make them more star treky and so he he basically
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was just totally disillusioned with the whole
thing. He loved the actors he thought they
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were. Amazing. But it's clear. He has a big
axe to crynd against ah Bragham beprint. Yeah.
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And I don't blame him for that. That's it's
it's evident that the show through this first
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season up to this point has definitely felt
like it's trying to find its way forward with
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its eyes closed in a dark room and that's
unfortunate. It's. And this episode in particular
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stands out as a strong episode that I wish
it had this season had had more like this
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that really pushed into the weirdness of of
space. The alien entit that that they meet
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it's refreshing that that's the focus of this
show and this this episode in particular I
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wanted to point out. We've had other episodes
where you've got the a plot and the b plot
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and the 2 of them have a pretty large gap
between them and it takes a little effort
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at the end to tie them together this episode
the a plot and the b plot the b plot is effectively
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focused in on sato where her concerns about
her capabilities. Her self-doubt is causing
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tension between her and to paul that b storyline
is so critically interwoven into the a storyline
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that it doesn't feel like it's a separate
storyline. It is a very strong focusing arc
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everybody's getting a few moments in the episode.
She's getting the most. But it's so clearly
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a strong b-line storyline that is interwoven
with the a it feels like 1 great plot and
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thankfully it's about this alien entity that
is so foreign and wispy and ghost like as
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opposed to it being about the cretaceans who
are.
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This is.
Exactly what decker complained about they
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are human actors with foam faces and ultimately
the story around them is far less important
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but but I also appreciate that when they come
back into the story. They are merely there
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as a touch point but that they do play a role.
Every single part of this episode touches
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that a plot and I think it's well well rendered
so they end up having K Crewman Rostoff who
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then is followed by K Crewman Kelly. Who is
then followed by a whole cohort of people
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going to figure out like why do people keep
disappearing disappearing in this room going
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to the cargo area. It's captain archer Commander
Tucker Lieutenant Reid and another Crewman
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and they all get taken by the entity. And
they quickly discovered that this entity not
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only is it holding itself up in this cargo
room but it is growing so it is wrapping them
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all in tendrils that seem very web-like and
parts of the creature. The tendrils have an
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almost tentacle-like aspect to them. Other
parts of it just look like webbing and this
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entity is getting bigger and bigger and it's
absorbing these people connecting them into
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this web of itself and it won't be long before
Dr Flox realizes that there's something special
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about these these creatures they are when
Reid flees The. Cargo Room. He's able to shut
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the door behind himself and in doing so chops
off a tendril. So Now they're examining the
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tendril and this is the flox moment that I
thought was so well Rendered. He's in a full
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hazmat suit. He is conducting scientific experiments
inside this hazmat suit.
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This is.
And dealing with a completely alien thing
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they have never seen anything like this before
the tendril even though it's disconnected
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from the main body is still moving around
on the table as he's trying to analyze it
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and when it starts to climb up his arm. He
very calmly says Oh no, no more of that and
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it's like he's talking.
Um, yeah.
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To a rabbit that is refusing to stay in its
cage. It is such a pleasant little moment
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that for me that stood up as like that was
enough like flocks got his moment so he's
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looking at this thing and he and to paul.
Okay.
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Examining the data that they're getting from
this determined that this entity is not only
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does it have intelligence but what it is doing
is slowly consuming the individuals that it
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has captured so that they eventually will
become a part of it so it is critical that
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they figure out how to free. Their fellow
crewmen before they get absorbed to the point
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of no return at this point, there's an interest
in trying to communicate it with with it that
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sado proposes. Maybe there's something about
the interference. She's been detecting in
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her communications arrays. Maybe that white
noise she was picking up is actually something
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that's created by the creature as a form of
communication. There's a little bit of weak
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writing at this moment where sado isn't doing
anything else so to paul could very easily
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say yeah, that's a great idea. Why don't you
look into that Meanwhile we're gonna go do
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this other thing with light emitters.
Yeah, but he forces her to she forces him
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to stop? yeah.
Because they know that the creature doesn't
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like light. Yeah instead she's like no, don't
do that. We're going to go do this thing with
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light they discover quickly that light would
in fact, harm the creature but the creature
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in turn is then going to harm and potentially
kill the crew members who are captured so
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they give up on that. Paul turns back to sado
and says hey you know that thing I told you
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not to do go do it so now saddo and with the
assistance of de paul a very nice moment of
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saddo turning to depa and asking for help
I thought that that was a great moment I think
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that the 2 of them having conversations around.
Their interaction style sado is complaining
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about the fact that she feels like she's being
second guested to paul explains I hold you
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to a high standard because I believe that
high standard is where you belong and I believe
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you should be there and you can be there.
That's what I mean that's why I respond in
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the way I do so it's about Personalnel styles.
Personal conflict and getting through those
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conflict through open communication really
having that moment of like can we check in
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and figure out why we're rubbing each other
wrong in the the way we are meanwhile everybody
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else is off doing things and there's a great
sequence where mayweather who has.
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Yes.
Been tasked with let's find those aliens because
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the only place that this Alien life form could
have come from is when we were linked with
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the crate Critasan Vessel mayweather. Not
only does he discover. Not only is he able
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to figure out where the warp trail of this
other vessel. Is. He's able to lay in a course
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and gets the enterprise on course to find
them and catch catch up to them and then on
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his own. He's He's the only person on the
bridge when they respond to the hail and at
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this point the cretaceans at this point have
figured out how to speak English so.
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It has an entire conversation.
When he communicates with them and they are
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suddenly turning and saying what do you want?
He literally looks around the bridge and a
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beautiful moment looks around the bridge and
realizes I'm the commanding officer on deck
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and he leads then the successful first contact
that archer was looking for the entire time.
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Communicating with these people and the communication
is the theme of this episode if we all just
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take a moment and talk about things and try
and figure out what are the differences that
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we're having trouble with you can have a breakthrough
he discovers that the problem that they had
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had with the humans was that. See eating as
being as private an act as reproduction. So
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seeing people eat in public with something
so egregious that they couldn't even stay
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in the room and I love this sequence maywether
having to apologize. Yes.
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The apology he gives which is very genuine
and I love as soon as he gives that apology
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the the cretace captains is like okay how
can I help you.
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Yeah, What do you need? the Cretacean reveals.
Oh yeah, that creature we've seen it before
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and he's very stunned and says oh we've seen
that before and it's on a planet. We Visited.
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We didn't do this and mayweer very quickly
said we didn't think you did. But we need
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to figure out where that planet is meanwhile.
There are multiple lines of research going
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on with to Paul Insado investigating Communications
Reid talks to satto or to Paul about Yeah,,
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there's this theoretical.
Yeah.
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Force field that Starfleet has been looking
into so on his own. He's figuring out how
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to rig up starfleet but using the specs from
Starfleet he's able to rig up a small emitter
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so that now for the first time in our prize
we're seeing force fields. The shielding that
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we're so accustomed to from all the other
series they're able to go into the cargo Bay.
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Yeah.
Before before you go before you go into the
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cargo Bay talking about communication and
the conflict between characters is another
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really nice scene I thought was really good
between the doctor and Reid because Reid is
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trying to fine tune the emitters to be able
to stop the creature without killing it. And
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he goes into the Sick Bay is basically gonna
start zapping the little tendril they've got
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and seeing how far he can push it without
killing it and the doctor basically stops
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in front of him and says no I'm not gonna
let you basically torture this thing to do
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this, you're gonna do this my way and the
2 of them have a really nice like. Vibrant
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argument between the 2 of them but just like
you're saying communication is key they reach
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that middle ground read like says. Okay I
will do it your way and they figure it out
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together.
So they do end up going into the cargo bay
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they set up these emitters and sado and to
paul come in and saddo the begins an attempt
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at first contact with this alien entity by
creating white noise that she then interrupts
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with signals to create patterns. See if she
and this creature can start to communicate
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and it in fact, does work. She's able and
it's a great sequence with white noise with
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pulses in it when the creature starts responding.
It's very close encounters. The creature responds
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in a far more sophisticated set of patterns.
But you can tell that communication is actually
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happening.
It's very close encounters.
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And the creature responds in a very positive
way releasing the crew the crew the crew that
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ah have been trapped inside this creature's
body. Their life signs returned to normal
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flocks calls for a medical crew to come and
get them out of the cargo Bay and. The Enterprise
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arrives at the planet. Not only does it arrive
at the planet. The creature gives longitude
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and latitude coordinates so that when they
get to the planet. They're able to take this
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creature back to the specific place where
it should be and when they return there they
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find that there is effectively. The rest of
this creature. It is depicted as being.. It
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is all 1 thing and it is massive. It looks
like it goes on to the horizon so it is effectively
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a kind of giant space brain on this planet
and when they return I Love the sequence showing
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them in space suits carrying a giant box.
This is.
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Open up the box and the creature from the
cargo bay crawls out and reunites. It's very
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again, the cgi looks very 2002 but I think
it's effective. It's very strange it.
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The.
Very different from what we've seen in previous
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episodes I Really love this ending because
it has a kind of it's very different from
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2001 but it has a 2001 weirdness to it. It's
this What is this Alien planet like that has
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this arguably 1 giant creature that covers
most of the planet. That thinks and I just
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love the depiction of that.
I like that you like the ending so much and
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this is where a beautiful melody is being
played and they hit a wrong note it like oh
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oh geez that I did not like why were the coordinates
so specific if it's 1 giant creature. They
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could have put it anywhere. It wouldn't matter
for the specific coordinates if it's all over
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the planet.
Right.
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So for me that was kind of like okay that's
kind of stupid and then the second thing was
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they're on the planet. They just release it
and I can't remember who the character was
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turns to the doctor and says why did it even
take our crew and his response is who knows
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and it was like wait. You were just talking
to this thing you couldn't have said a ah
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why'd you take our crew. It's like you could
have you know how to talk to it. You could
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have asked. It. It's like that was the dumbest
dumbest response.
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Yeah I think that they I think that they got
close to it though. His response was effectively
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like I don't know but it's possible that because
of its interconnected nature. It was lonely
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that it needed like he did say that.
Um, yes, it.
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He did say that but it wasn't that wasn't
in the forefront. It was largely a shrug with
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that. Yeah.
His you know, but he actually said who knows
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and it was like who knows the thing you just
released knows and you could have had a conversation
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with it. It's not that we had to see the conversation
with it. You could have said like he could
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have said right? then it was like it was Lonely.
It was looking for a connection. It's like
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it could have been something simple as that.
But the fact he said who knows it was like
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this wrong note of just like in this beautiful
melody of Wow This ending's really kind of
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cool and oh what? what was that.
So at the end I would I would say that this
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episode for me was a good solid b plus maybe
even an I'm a minus I like I put it up there
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as like 1 of the better of the season that
we've watched so far.
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Yeah I'd put it.
Um, yeah I think it's like a B or a B plus
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for me it was It was a it was definitely is
definitely better than the middle run of the
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stuff we were going through but it's it. There
were some off notes for me.
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And I'm looking forward to hearing responses
from the listeners and my question to all
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of you am I making too much of this or did
you kind of pick up on something I did I mentioned
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this to Matthew previously before we recorded
I don't think it was intentional. But at the
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end of the episode I thought wow they inadvertently
created an amazing metaphor for the internet
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effectively finding a thing on a planet that
is a completely interconnected thing that
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thinks in math and when people have differences.
Is this.
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And come together through it. The connections
are life changing so it almost seemed like
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did anybody consciously think about that or
was this just kind of an accidental metaphor
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of yeah, the internet changes. Everything
let us know if you think I'm onto something
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there or if I'm just chasing my own tail I've
been known to do that And next time we're
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gonna be talking about Fallen Hero Matt What
do you think? Fallen Heroes about um I.
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Um I think it's a hero who's fallen. He can't
get out.
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Can't get up Matt is it anything you want
to share with the listeners before we sign
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off.
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